The hosting company for evtn.com which is host.net does not offer wordpress as a one click CMS install.

this is a dual question.

How do I install wordpress for evtn.com (which already exists) so I can create and test a new evtn wordpress website and then easily(!) replace the existing website with the wordpress one.

I want to keep the old and new filefolders separate.
I don't want the websites to crash.

thank you.

Hi Ruth,

You can use your host's file manager to create a subfolder in your site. For example, if you create the subfolder as "wordpresstest" then the site would be located at evtn.com/wordpresstest until you wanted to go live.

To install Wordpress manually, give the following tutorial a try:
www.ostraining.com/wordpress-courses/wor.../installation-manual

Kind regards,
Nick

Thank you Nick.

You're welcome, Ruth!

Kind regards,
Nick

At the very beginning of the video it says to create a database. I did so but it is not obvious to me or through a search where the database is in the file structure or if it is there at all. This hosting company has no help. I would never have chosen them the company did. here is where I created the database:
photo was uploaded.
I created a folder in httpdocs called wptestsite and want to move the database there. Do you know how with so limited of information?
after I figure out how to do so -or if you know?--all I need to install is the wp software following the video?

Hi Ruth,

The database is not in the file structure. It's separate. Your files, however, connect to the database, but that's all done automatically by WordPress.

Does this help?

Kind regards,
Nick

in case this will help- it was in the host.net help section:
Creating or Importing a Database

To create a new database on your hosting account:

On your Home page, click Databases.
Click Add New Database.
Enter a name for the database.

We recommend that you choose a name that starts with a Latin alphabet symbol and comprises only alphanumeric and underscore symbols (up to 64 symbols).
Select the database type that you are going to use: MySQL, (there was one choice MySQL ~Ruth) PostgreSQL or Microsoft SQL Server.
Select the database server of the selected type from the list. Click OK.
To set up database administrator's credentials, click Add New Database User.
(there was no where to setup administrator's credentials-Ruth)Type a user name and a password that will be used for accessing the contents of the database.To set up database administrator's credentials, click Add New Database User.
(there was no where to add Add New Database User or type a username and password-Ruth)
Click OK.

To import an existing database:

On your Home page, click Databases.
Click Add New Database.
Enter a name for the database.

We recommend that you choose a name that starts with a Latin alphabet symbol and comprises only alphanumeric and underscore symbols (up to 64 symbols).
Select the database type that you are going to use: MySQL, PostgreSQL or Microsoft SQL Server. Click OK.
To set up database administrator's credentials, click Add New Database User.
Type a user name and a password that will be used for accessing the contents of the database. Click OK.
Click the DB WebAdmin icon in the Tools group. (no such icon in the tools group-Ruth)

An interface to phpMyAdmin, phpPgAdmin, or ASPEnterpriseManager database management tool will open in a separate browser window.

If you have a MySQL database:

Click Query window in the left frame, click the Import files tab,
Select the text file that contains the data and click Go.
Click the Insert data from a text file link.

If you have a MS SQL database:

Click the name of your database in the left frame
Click Query (the magnifying glass button)
Copy the text of your script into the text area and click Run Query.

To manage your databases and their contents, use your favorite MySQL, PostgreSQL, or Microsoft SQL Server client or the Web based database management tool accessible from Parallels Plesk Panel (Home > Databases > database name > DB WebAdmin).

I'm lost!

Hi Ruth,

Which part are you stuck on?

Kind regards,
Nick

Nick Savov wrote:yes and...
1 how does wp know which is the correct database file
2 shouldn't I be able to view the database folder?

If the answers are no to #2 then I go ahead and load wordpress to that folder and it'll all work out?

Hi Ruth,

1) Well, it's not a file :) However, Wordpress knows it's the correct database because upon installing you tell it which database is correct. Take a look at the 3 minute mark of the video ( www.ostraining.com/wordpress-courses/wor...installation-manual/ ) for an example.

2) No, there is no folder for it within the files since it's not a file. It's stored in a separate location in the server. The databases are different than then folders and files. All you have to know is that the database manager stores and manages databases, while the file manager stores and manages files, and the two are separate from each other.

Hope this helps! :)

Kind regards,
Nick

Nick Savov wrote:I'll take a look at that video and then install WP.
One thing I saw on the first video and read on the Wordpress site is adding a data base user and password. I was never asked that when creating a database. So what do I enter when that comes up?

thank you.
Ruth

Hi Ruth,

You're welcome!

Some hosts do things completely different and only have one user, which you can't change and you can't add more. You'd have to double check with your host.

Kind regards,
Nick

I'm not sure I can talk with the host as they do not have help service.
so questions are: if I didn't have a user and password then I don't need to enter any when prompted?
Also is it normal to have "Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no access" and" 550 SIZE not allowed in ASCII mode" and " 550 /httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin/widgets.php: No such file or directory"?

STATUS:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] PWD skipped. Current folder: "/httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin".
STATUS:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] Remote directory already exists: "/httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin".
COMMAND:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] SIZE widgets.php
[3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] 550 SIZE not allowed in ASCII mode
STATUS:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no access).
COMMAND:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] CWD /httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin/widgets.php
[3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] 550 /httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin/widgets.php: No such file or directory
STATUS:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] Requested action not taken (e.g., file or directory not found, no access).
COMMAND:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] CWD /httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin
[3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] 250 CWD command successful
STATUS:> [3/16/2012 11:35:57 AM] PWD skipped. Current folder: "/httpdocs/madeupname/wp-admin".

I typed in the name of the word press site and received this message:

Your server is running PHP version 5.1.6 but WordPress 3.3.1 requires at least 5.2.4.
what do I do now?

Nick Savov wrote:maybe you didn't see this so I am writing again:

I typed in the name of the word press site and received this message:

Your server is running PHP version 5.1.6 but WordPress 3.3.1 requires at least 5.2.4.
what do I do now?

Hi mul88tiii,

Latest WordPress requires the new php version. You would probably have to switch hosting companies or tell them to upgrade their php version. Some hosts have shared accounts which run multiple php versions. Have you tried giving them a call and finding out more information? :-)

As stated previously there is no help phone number (and help tickets don't get answered.)
the company owning the website will have to upgrade to a better hosting company and I did write to them earlier about alternatives.
Thank you Tessa.

You are welcome mul88tiii, hopefully you get a positive response soon. :-) Otherwise, it shouldn't be a problem switching hosting companies. =)

When moving an account let's say acme.com to a new hosting company. does anyone know for certain that all the email accounts such as This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. will retain the read and unread emails?

If you use a web based email access (read/send website emails through browser) instead of an email client to pick up and send emails for your website you will have to back up the emails sitting in your email accounts at the old web hosting before cancelling the old account. Your email info will be lost after you cancel old web hosting.

Tessa wrote:
I don't know web based from client is that gmail versus Outlook?

Actually I think they have all their emails forwarded to Outlook but I can check.
If so, would this be a preferred method?

Sounds like a web based email client that is being forwarded to Outlook as you said.

If you decide to use google apps for email in the future, you can always import/export emails to another server.

And yes backing up emails would be a preferred method. I would wait until Monday when OSTraining professionals can route you towards the best method. :-)

Also, a great server to take a look at is CloudAccess.net, I have been using them for a couple months and have had nothing but fast great support and excellent server speed. :-) They also do daily backups of your website and databases. :-)

Hi Ruth,
mul88tiii wrote:A username and password is always required. You could try the username and password that you use to log into the host's control panel. However, I'd highly recommend switching hosts instead as your current one seems to not be the greatest. Here are recommended hosts: www.ostraining.com/hosting . We're also considering officially adding CloudAccess (which Tessa mentioned) to the list as well.
mul88tiii wrote:Are you using Filezilla? If so, give the following discussion a look:
forum.filezilla-project.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11144 . Same conclusion, unfortunately...switch hosts.
mul88tiii wrote:Tessa, spot on. You'd have to find out which service they are using for the emails.

Hope this helps!

Kind regards,
Nick

Tessa wrote:Thanks Tessa,
I have not heard of cloud Access. some hosting companies assume one knows a whole lot more than I do. so I like the hosting companies who treat me well if if the questions are basic. If cloud access or OST's other recommendations have support that is helpful at wordpress related questions (all questions) then I would consider recommending them.
I'm with blue host and was considering having evtn.com move to them or one of the other top two listed here.
wphostingreviews.com/reviews/bluehost-review-63/

Nick Savov wrote:I was not able to use Filezilla at all with evtn I had to install Cute ftp 8 Professional - that would work on my Windows 7 laptop.
It all helps thank you. But I think the company won't want to move to a new hosting company - it's just my guess.

I'll find out which mail service they are using and keep moving forward and see if I can ease their concerns. Maybe they'll just say, yes.
Thank you, Nick

You're welcome, Ruth! :)

As advice, don't worry about these sort of things. It's no where near your fault so don't take it hard on yourself. There's only so much you can do as a site builder and a lot of it is outside of your hands. Just be honest with the client and hopefully they'll be smart enough to realize the need to move.

You're doing a great job! :)

Kind regards,
Nick

Looks like they are seriously considering the move.
Two questions. How much if any downtime is there in moving a site?
I tried finding the link you sent on the protocol to moving sites. I did read through the protocol, but sorry I can't find the link again.

Thank you!

Hi Ruth,

1) Practically none. Once you get your site moved, you just switch the domain so that it points to the new server and then it takes 6-48 hours to propagate. However, during the propagation either the old server or new serer is serving your site so there's no visible downtime to the visitors.

There's only one catch, if the site has a high rate content uploaded to the database, you'll have to migrate the content that occurred during the migration/propagation. For example, let's say the site is an online store and 10 purchases were made from the time you started moving the site until the time you're finished. Well those 10 purchases need to be moved over.

2) You can use the following tutorial for moving a site from server to server:
www.ostraining.com/blog/wordpress/move-your-wordpress-site/

Hope this helps!

Kind regards,
Nick

That's very helpful, Nick.
Thank you!

I'm trying to get a better understanding of how they view their emails.
I think they qualify for the 2nd example. I just need to understand how they'll view old and new emails.

You're welcome, Ruth! We're glad to be of help! :)

The best way to find out how they view the emails is to ask them :) It's hard otherwise.

Kind regards,
Nick