I have tried many scenarios to get the homepage url to match the menu url for component.

I put this question to template forum and the component club forum. I am not using sef.

Joomla : 2.5.6
1. Wonderputt menu url
(jVArcade - Games)
/index.php/games/game/id-1014-Wonderputt

games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php/game...e/id-1014-Wonderputt

When I search from secondary pages using Search on the right position, menu url always show and I never see the component url.

2. Wonderputt component url
(Spotlight Arcade)
/index.php/component/jvarcade/game/id-1014-Wonderputt

games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php/comp...e/id-1014-Wonderputt

When I search on the front page the links do not follow the menu url. Instead it follows the component url which doesn't display the right position. It never returns to the correct menu url until the original open window is no longer using that link history.

Also, when the JCE links are relative, the url doesn't work and I manually need to go into all the relative links and give them the full http address and closing editor in html code view.

I tried adding the ID# in parameters for Menu

When I turn off the 3rd party Search, Joomla only search results gives me K2 items which I highlighted some games and JVArcade was never included.

So the only efficient choice is to hide the homepage search so the user will have access to the right position items. Otherwise they will never see the right position if the first thing they do is search on the home page because once you are linking from the start, the browsing continues until another tab is open with the right side url.


Note: component is not on home page as a chosen menu item position. Although it sits in the <div class="mainbody_out">

This happens when I installed on a second domain too.

Hi Treat2day,

Welcome to OSTraining! Glad to have you here. :-)

Just a few questions, what is the name of the component that is rewriting your URLs?

Have you thought of using URL Rewriting in the .htaccess file on the root of your site?

Have you thought of using Advanced Module Manager to ensure your modules are showing correctly? extensions.joomla.org/extensions/access-...les-management/10307

As a temporary work around, have you thought of using the Menu Type URL's to directly go to the correct URL instead of linking the Menu type to the page?

Hi Tessa,

I am using JVArcade component and it is installed directly without any module to position. A week has passed since my last correspond with the developer. They are going to test my findings on their end. I didn't ask for a timeline, it is a non-commercial component and they have been more than helpful.

According to Firebug it sits in the mainbody_out and I am not experience with Joomla long enough to know why that is.

I am very familiar with NoNumbers extensions and happily joined as a lifetime club member.

I certainly understand the template position available and using the preview in template manager. However, this particular definition isn't one I can find without contradictions.

I am using YouJoomla Live Search for the the search component. I inserted the ID# for the menu and changed to component ID# with no apparent differences in a fix when trying both separately.

The temporary work around I see as the easiest would be to unpublish the frontpage search to avoid the url differences. The .htaccess suggestion is a great one but I am not sure if my mind can add more confuse yo the future work I need to do with SEO. I am planning to use RSJoomla! - RSSeo! I have worked with html for many years. I have only worked with Joomla for 7 months now.

I am certainly happy to unpublish the front page search but it is always best to find a solution to an issue that doesn't seem common according to all the inquiries so far.

Thank you for all that you do and especially this reply.

Hi, Treat2Day, someone with a similar issue has found that using advanced module manager, as I suggested above, is a great work around.

Could you try this out? :-)

Hi Tessa.

Yes I understood your suggestion but my answer may not have been clear. JVArcade doesn't have a module to publish. The installation is component only. If there are steps to move the component to a new position, I have not seen that in tutorials or any documentation.

I would be happy to follow any link how-to if you have one readily available.

This is what I see on the front page without the component shown on the front page. When I unpublish JVArcade this goes away.

This post involves a block background so you can see image attached for second site with same issue: games.skillsarcade.tv

<!--MAIN LAYOUT HOLDER -->
<div id="holder2">
<!-- messages -->

<div id="system-message-container">
</div>
<!-- end messages -->
<!-- MID BLOCK -->
<div id="midblock" style="width:100%;">
<div class="insidem">
<!-- component -->
<div class="yjsg-newsitems">
<div class="yjsg-blog_f">




</div>
</div>
<!-- end component -->
<div class="clearm"></div>
</div>
<!-- end mid block insidem class -->
</div>
<!-- end mid block div -->


</div>
<!-- end holder div -->

Is there any chance you have duplicate items in different categories and aliases that are the same? A search reveals two different pages.

games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php/comp...e/id-1014-Wonderputt

games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php/comp...Wonderputt?Itemid=40

This is a very similar problem to our other student who had two URLs like this as well. One going to a category and one that included an itemid.

He got different results from the home page and inside pages. His workaround was the module manager. The difference is his problem comes from a readmore link in the K2 content module. I have a feeling that these are both related to k2 in some way. It's odd that we would get two similar problems so close together.

I don't have any clue as to why this is happening at this point. Nick has promise to take a look at this as well and see if he has any input. If you hear from K2 or anyone, I hope you will share the response.

Cheers,
Ed

Hi Ed,

I poked around to see what these two difference come from because I have not noticed that extra ?Itemid=40

There isn't a duplicate in the games directory after double checking from the backend.

The ?Itemid=40 in the modules identifies user11 id 40 but no module is in that position.

The template preview is remarkably odd too. games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php?tp=1&template=youscene

Note: component is giving you the additional results ?Itemid=40

Backend title settings (Spotlight Arcade)-user input field
Menu item title (jVArcade - Games)- direct from component software

If you notice the url you have given shows

component/jvarcade/game/id-1014-Wonderputt which is always absent of the right position.

The correct menu selection games/game/id-1014-Wonderputt

This is not dedicated to this theme or domain because I have it on an educational website in development


games.skillsarcade.tv/index.php/free-onl...-World-Capitals-Quiz

games.skillsarcade.tv/index.php/component/jvarcade/game/id-253-World-Capitals-Quiz

Note: right position is not enabled on games due the known confusion.

Hi and welcome, treat2day!

Is there any update on this issue?

I'll be glad to look into it for you, if you can provide us with an update on how things are going.

Looking forward to helping.

Kind regards,
Nick

I have not found a solution. Over the weekend I tried a different 3rd party that was non-commercial no thumbs up.

Yesterday I purchased sh404sef component subscription and the Advanced Search subscription from Anything Digital.

The JVArcade has a Joomla plugin that is already installed. They have an additional plugin for sh404sef. I will install this with the new subscriptions.

I need to look into K2 sh404sef to see if it is available.

Hopefully the combination of K2 and JVArcade will play nice together if it was controlled with sh404sef. Although I do not have a clue about how sh404sef work. I will need to get up to speed with the manuals. I will report the results.

Thanks for checking back.

Thanks for the update!

I read through the whole discussion, and to be honest, I'm not sure exactly what your issue is. Could you clarify it simply in one or two sentences?

Or could you upload some annotated screenshots of what you're seeing? Fireshot for Firefox is a great tool for annotated screenshots. Here's our tutorial on it:
www.ostraining.com/blog/webdesign/fireshot-firefox/

Kind regards,
Nick

Hi Nick,

Yes it would be hard to follow many conversations.

Here's the first post.

I get two search results. The front page search box results do not include the right position. That is all!

1. Wonderputt menu url
(jVArcade - Games)
/index.php/games/game/id-1014-Wonderputt

games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php/game...e/id-1014-Wonderputt

When I search from secondary pages using Search on the right position, menu url always show and I never see the component url.

2. Wonderputt component url
(Spotlight Arcade)
/index.php/component/jvarcade/game/id-1014-Wonderputt

games.digitalspotlight.tv/index.php/comp...e/id-1014-Wonderputt

Thanks for the clarification!
treat2day wrote: They do not include the right position or they do not include the modules assigned to the right position?

Kind regards,
Nick

The search results are showing the correct results.

/component/jvarcade/game

links to pages without the right position showing. see attachment

The menu link results has the right position with content.
/free-online-game-selection-categories/game

No problems ff the search is done on the secondary pages because the component link never show in results

/component/jvarcade/game

Very odd!

Hi treat2day,

OK, it seems like your issue is with module assignments and therefore I'd suggest, as Tessa did, that you give Advanced Module Manager a try. Here's our tutorial on it:
www.ostraining.com/blog/joomla/advanced-...le-manager-tutorial/

Use it to assign your right modules by URL to the pages that are missing the right modules.

Hope this helps! Let us know if you have any questions along the way.

Kind regards,
Nick

Hi Nick,

Yes, I clearly understand these directions.

The home menu is the only page the right position is not shown. When using the search link HOME - the right position results does not show.

When using the search link on any page other page the right position is showing.

It seems JVArcade is meant to be a component that is published to the index.php page.

I have the same issue on an entirely different domain . I do not have JVArcade on the frontpage but you can see where JVArcade component is sitting. see image

I will test this theory later today.

1. I will assign JVArcade to home menu using a domain not yet developed.
2. I am going to publish JVArcade to the homepage and test search.
3. Then unpublish JVArcade to test search using blog content that is published.

Tyrone

Hi Tyrone,

You should really try using Advanced Module Manager though. Or is that what you meant?

Kind regards,
Nick

First, you mentioned module again which baffles me. I do not understand how JVArcade becomes a module using custom html. It does not have a module with the component packaged.

Removing the users option to use the search from the front page. The only solution I continue to sigh and settle. Place the search in right position using the module on secondary pages without the home menu as a link.

My findings from the mentioned theory.

In the main menu, Joomla home link is changed to JVArcade default front page is a winner. This same option does not change with my current situation.

No Problem with Joomla! installed to www.skillsarcade.com/demo/ with no 3rd party template or framework

www.skillsarcade.com/demo/index.php/comp...de/game/id-1-Frogger

1. Frogger
(Sample Data-Articles)
Sed venenatis bibendum nisl, eget iaculis tortor imperdiet vel. In ut leo ut dui porta tincidunt. Aliquam erat volutpat. Vestibulum volutpat malesuada urna, in mollis tellus vehicula vitae. Fusce sed leo ...
Created on 29 August 2012
2. Frogger
(jVArcade - Games)
Folder: Classic Games | Play Count: 4 | Enter your description for Neave Frogger here. ...


modules.jpg

Menu

Image – Menu Game Link

Before Search

Demo – folder– right position

Frogger-menu-game-demo-folder-right.jpg
techtyrone.com/content/index.php/demo


Demo – folder = frogger url – right position

Frogger-game-folder-right-position.jpg

techtyrone.com/content/index.php/demo/newest/start-2?id=1


Search Results

Total: 2 results found.
1. Frogger
(ARCADE)
Sed venenatis bibendum nisl, eget iaculis tortor imperdiet vel. In ut leo ut dui porta tincidunt. Aliquam erat volutpat.
Created on 29 August 2012
2. Frogger
(JVARCADE - GAMES)
Folder: Classic Games | Play Count: 4 | Enter your description for Neave Frogger here. ...
Created on

Images –search

1 - frogger-search-K2 blog-results - right position

1 – blog-results.jpg

1 - techtyrone.com/content/index.php/extras/...uty/item/46-frogger- right position


2 - Index.php Component url with search results - no right position

2 - Frogger-search-JVArcade-no-right.jpg- no right position

2 - techtyrone.com/content/index.php/compone...e/game/id-1-Frogger- no right position

OSTopDog

This not an edit to the above problem that still exist.

This seems be the like the solution.

I mentioned in earlier post that I would try sh404sef because JVArcade has an additional plugin for it. I was doing this in the dark because sh404sef does not give you access to information unless you have a subscription.

I am now a member. I always read several months of post before installing an extension that changes Joomla core.

This is what is describe as a solution to someone that has my problem.

Solution: sh404sef handles Joomla duplicates caused by Joomla routner

Note: Let me first state that I was not using a third party search in the example tested above for the previous post. The JVArcade comes with a search that allows Joomla default to search component.

Here's a copy anything-digital.com:

Please let me attempt to clarify things in that thread:

1 - it is normal for the Error page to not work when you're using "Use Joomla router". This is because, well, you are using Joomla router, and Joomla router throw its own 404 error page, without letting 3rd party extensions replace it in any way. That makes Case 2 above "behaves as expected"

2 - So the real question in your case is: why smart search does not work using the default setting? After researching your web site, and conducting some tests on our local machines, we eventually found that it's only a matter of duplicate urls.
com_finder creates several duplicate non-sef urls, which sh404sef aggregates under a single sef url. In that process, and if you are using filters, it may be that the wrong non-sef is picked to decode an incoming requests.
This situation is handled by using the "Duplite url feature" in sh404SEF url manager:
- go to the URL manager
- locate the com_finder url. You'll see it has several duplicates (clickable number on the right hand side)
- click on that number, you'll see a popup window with a list of duplicate urls created by com_finder. Select the one which has "f=1" in it (which means activate filtering), then click on the "Make main" button in tool bar.
Filtering now works.

Note that the above is after returning sh404SEF to their defaults, that is to use sh404SEF "Default handler" and "Use sh404SEF plugin if present".
I have done the above on your test web site, and filtering works now.

Thank you for sticking it out here. I will definitely return to the post next week after I have posted the site using sh494sef handling of duplicates caused by Joomla router.

tyrone

Hi Tyrone,

I am doing a some research on this and I did find on this site some explanation:
www.compassdesigns.net/joomla-blog/duplicate-titles-in-joomla

I also found several instances where people solved the problem in the htaccess file by creating a rule for one of the urls to redirect to the other. I don't know if this would be your solution, since you seem to be getting to the root of it with sh404SEF, but thought I would mention it.

Cheers,
Ed

Hi Ed,

Thank you for finding this information. This makes it easier to go forward knowing I am not shooting in the dark. I certainly agree that the menu link for JVArcade Home provided in the selection tab, is not the same link the component JVArcade uses for search results. Now we know it isn't unique to my post.

I have a hard enough time keeping up with things. The suggestion to deal with .htaccess is for those organized people keeping track of redirects. I will let an extension keep the records like sh404sef. I will get my money worth if it only accomplish this one task 99% of the time. We all know error free software does not exist.

Again, OSTraining team has been great sticking it out here. Have a great holiday weekend.

Thank you.

You're welcome. And good luck with your site. I hope this all gets resolved and the site does well.

Cheers,
Ed