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TOPIC: Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop

Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 3 weeks ago #75428

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I am actually well into the intermediate level of your drupal training but I had blow-out. I screwed up the settings on my Acquia Dev Desktop. Had to remove it and start all over. Lost everything. I have had a question here related to the Acquia Dev Desktop before. I did a search but didn't find anything here or on the web about this. I do not remember how I navigated this problem before but it took me a whole weekend to figure it out on my own. First, why does OSTraining not recommend this method of Drupal development offline using Acquia Dev Desktop? Most people I talk to prefer to build their sites locally before they load up to live server. I always have in the past. Second, if I download the Acquia Dev Desktop should I import the Drupal Core files into the Acquia Dev Desktop controller? When I try to import Drupal core by going to the ADDesktop > Settings > Sites > Import > Browse > UnzipDrupalCoreFolder > "Create New Database" > New DB Name "Drupalville" > Server "markhost" > import . . . . I get this error message: "hosts file is not writable 'C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts' I'm exasperated because I lost all my work and now I have to spend another weekend trying to figure out how to get it back. Can you help? Thanks Mark
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 3 weeks ago #75446

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Hi ceramatex
First, why does OSTraining not recommend this method of Drupal development offline using Acquia Dev Desktop? Most people I talk to prefer to build their sites locally before they load up to live server

Hard experience. We used to do things that way, but for beginners the localhost option added more problems than it solved.

A few years ago I posted on this topic on my personal blog. It focuses on Joomla, but the same applies for Drupal:
steveburge.com/blog/general-cms-issues/l...ot-worth-the-effort/

I can break it down like this:

1) Localhosts can be hard to install on quite a lot of machines (Windows 8, VMWare, Parrallels)
2) Localhosts very different from real servers
3) People have to move their sites from their localhost to their real server and that's another big learning step
4) We can't provide any help to people on their localhost because we can't see the site

One thing to note is that those are all big issues for beginners, but we've nothing against localhost for more experienced users.

For the specific Acquia Dev Desktop issue there's a lot of people with similar problems here:
forums.acquia.com/acquia-products-and-se...top/multi-site-error

There's a variety of solutions posted there also from running the desktop as an Administrator to turning off the AVG or Kapersky firewall.
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 3 weeks ago #75450

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Thank you for your response. I appreciate that you took the time to explain it so I can see it from your (trainer) perspective. I can see how it is a huge problem. I read your previous Joomla blog on the subject and every other blog I could find. Lots of questions, very few suggested resolutions even offered.

Well I am simply devastated. To have Acquia Dev Desktop functioning correctly, completely on my localhost and not be able to reproduce it now. To me this is a huge setback to Drupal. No way am I going to invest in learning a system that I can only produce live. To me this is like learning how to build your own unique automobile that is equivalent to a Ferrari, in your home garage, one car at a time.

Thank you for your time Steve.
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 2 weeks ago #75462

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Hi ceramatex

Sorry, but I don't quite agree that this is a show-stopper and I'll explain my reasoning:

1) All software has setup problems like this on localhost. For example, one of our most regularly visited blog posts is a WordPress localhost problem.

2) I think there is a solution out there for you. Did you try any of those suggested here? forums.acquia.com/acquia-products-and-se...top/multi-site-error

3) There's alternatives to Acquia Dev Desktop. We just recommend it because it's easy to install initially. If you want to try Drupal on your desktop and you're comfortable with localhost, then either WAMP or MAMP are probably a better bet.
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 2 weeks ago #75489

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I agree Steve.

Again thanks for responding. It is very frustrating. Yes, I went through all the postings that you recommended. I tried everything suggested. Tick Tock. So I abandoned trying to load the Drupal Core files to the Desktop and I am just using the desktop AS IS simultaneously to building the Drupalville site live, following your training lessons to the letter. Nothing works with the ISP. It's a Catch 22. CMS are incredible tools for web designers. The trouble is you have to be very adept in web design and need programming skills to use them. I am very skilled at HTML and some CSS3 and Java but what good is that on a CMS? When you enter into the CMS world nothing you knew previously is pertinent.

I have had absolute hell with GoDaddy and iPage. Nothing on either site works with these lessons. I was scolded for not knowing proper php protocol and permissions so I could get around problems. I took my site down from GoDaddy and went to iPage. I still can't upload the modules and they have to create a ticket for a programmer to patch me in. Then 24 to 48 hours you get a fix, maybe. What good is that? I didn't learn anything.

So I am stuck on the live training on iPage because I can't upload modules, except for manually using FTP. Maybe I should consider a career in neural surgery. I'm an MBA and MS. Nothing prepared me for this. Yeah, I'm not too happy. I have put a lot of time into this already.

Would Drupal Cloud create a better environment for me to set up my Drupal sites without all these problems and hassles manifesting? Man I don't want to lose another 2 days getting that accomplished. But Clearly, GoDaddy and iPage, the two largest ISP in the world are not Drupal friendly. And I am not a programmer. How much trouble would it be to move it over to Drupal Cloud and do you recommend that? Sorry for the rant but I am at the end of my rope. Thanks.
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 2 weeks ago #75491

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Hi ceramatex
The trouble is you have to be very adept in web design and need programming skills to use them. I am very skilled at HTML and some CSS3 and Java but what good is that on a CMS? When you enter into the CMS world nothing you knew previously is pertinent

Yes, with Drupal (depending on what you need to do). Drupal is by far the hardest of the three CMSs we teach. There's just so much to learn. You good webdesign skills and also the knowledge of how to apply those to Drupal.

We tend to recommend that people start with WordPress or Joomla and then graduate to Drupal when they have more experience.
I have had absolute hell with GoDaddy and iPage

I've not used iPage before, but GoDaddy is the worst host I've ever used. And no, it's not Drupal-friendly. They have bizarre security restrictions, under-powered servers and poor tech support.
Would Drupal Cloud create a better environment for me to set up my Drupal sites without all these problems and hassles manifesting?

I'd recommend www.getpantheon.com as a good option. They have a free sandbox account: www.getpantheon.com/pricing They've got great support and you can do the instalation via their admin interface.
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 2 weeks ago #75503

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My turn to help "hosts file is not writable" 'C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts'

Problem: Error message when trying to import Drupal Core files to Acquia Dev Desktop (DAMP)
Error message: "hosts file is not writable" 'C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts'
Warning: if you have already developed some work using Acquia Dev Desktop without Drupal Core files (do a backup) . . . . when you are done with the import it is going to try and initialize a new set up with DAMP on your localhost. I didn’t go there . . . after the import . . . it might take you back to square one . . . I instead just closed DAMP and fortunately when I reopened it . . . took me right back where I was developmentally . . . . but now with the core files on board.

Solution: on your hard drive GO TO: C:\windows\system32\drivers\etc
locate the hosts file, right click it, click properties, un-check Read only, save (ask you for admin permission, OK, apply, continue, OK
when all done with import to DAMP, go back to the hosts file and check read only.

It allowed me to import the Drupal Core files I had unzipped and create a new database. I was stuck on this toadstool quite a while with this error message.

Also you are going to need to do this for future purposes: Increase DAMP's PHP's memory settings, import settings, and upload settings. Ive done that ... but I shouldn't recommend how I did it till I'm clear I didn't create any future problems by doing so. But clearly, there are big limitations in the DAMP settings to do what is needed in the future. From what I have read, WAMP is even more problematic for the same reasons; basic configuration has too minimal settings.
Hope this helps someone.
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Loading Drupal Core into Acquia Dev Desktop 8 months 2 weeks ago #75558

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Wonderful, thanks for posting back with your solution, ceramatex

Your solution actually reminds of something I forgot to mention earlier ... Drupal is particularly problematic on localhosts because it's so resource intensive.

This tutorial from last week will give you an insight into why: www.ostraining.com/blog/drupal/site-performance/

For our live classes we actually cycled through several differnet localhost options before settling on Acquia. It's the best of a very limited bunch.
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